Episode #4: The Benefits of Living a Sober Life

Today’s episode is an in-depth discussion about why we have chosen to live a sober life, and what kind of benefits we have seen from that decision.  Today, we have decided to take a different approach to a subject that we are very familiar with. This podcast is all about rediscovering and discussing the...

Today, we have decided to take a different approach to a subject that we are very familiar with.

This podcast is all about rediscovering and discussing the topic of sobriety. Rather than going into the dark, sad stories that revolve around addiction, this episode focuses on the benefits of living a sober life.

On today’s show, we share our thoughts on why we have chosen sobriety and the benefits it has given the two of us, both as entrepreneurs and as people.

In this episode, you will learn:

• How long we have both been sober.
• Why Russ struggled with some of the more traditional sobriety programs.
• The “light switch” that made Mika decide she wanted to become sober.
• The kind of impact that drinking and substance abuse can have on your legacy.

Mentioned in this episode:
The Sober Entrepreneur by Russ Perry
The Russ Perry Show
Celebrate Recovery
Alcoholics Anonymous


Russ Perry: Today, we’re actually taking a different approach to a topic we’ve already recorded on. Let’s just say that the first time we tried to talk about this, I totally sabotaged Mika, leaving her alone in a room to talk about some heavy stuff, so I apologize. I want to get that on the record here.

Today’s podcast is rediscovering and talking about the topic of sobriety. But rather than spending a ton of time going into what usually happens when you talk about this topic, which is the deep and dark sad stories that revolve around it. If you’re interested in that, you can get my book, The Sober Entrepreneur for free, We’re going to try to focus on that a little bit because it matters.

But we want to really talk about what the benefits are for living a sober life. We’ve been bouncing this idea back and forth around like what if sobriety isn’t necessarily an afterthought, or like a brand, you get because you’ve accomplished this really rough thing, which it definitely can be. But more of a lifestyle brand.

More of a thing where you are proud to talk about it because it’s less about the shit you’ve gone through, and more about the benefits you’ve gained from it. We’re going to try to talk about this topic again. We’ve tried once before, and it just became like a really sad time. We’re going to go through this and both share our brief experiences around why we’ve chosen sobriety.

But then really dive into the benefits its given us, with the roles that we have, both us for me, as a business owner, and as a husband and as a father. Then with Mika, for her as a wife, also as an entrepreneur and a mother, and a creator.

Mika Perry: I’d like to make a little note, I guess, of that this is the first time I’ve publicly talked about this topic. I hope that you’ll understand that I might sound a little uncomfortable at times, but know that that’s truly me sharing with you for the, I’m opening myself up to you on this topic, because I think it’s important.

I think it’s time that you know also my story around sobriety. It’s seven months for me now, since I’ve made the choice to be sober. For me, it’s alcohol as well, which is the same as Russ’s story behind his sobriety. Now, we live in a sober, alcohol-free home, and it’s really been a profound decision in both of our lives, and our marriage, and our family.

Russ Perry: It’s super weird too ’cause like prior to becoming sober, I’ve been sober for four years, more than four years, I thought only like Mormons didn’t drink. It turns out they do too sometimes secretly. But like it was like a religious thing. I really, I mean, if you rewind five, six, seven, I mean, shoo, when we started dating, the idea that we would now be in like a dry house with no one drinking, and literally a bottle of wine that has sat in our fridge forever, ’cause someone brought it over, and it just sits there. It’s still a little bit weird.

Mika Perry: It is. I mean, I never thought I would ever be sober. That that would be something that I would identify myself with.

Russ Perry: Why is that the case though, ’cause it seems like when I talk to people about getting sober, it is this remote distinct land of mystery and …

Mika Perry: Well, I think more than mystery, it’s shameful and it’s dark, and it’s depressing, and you thought sobriety is associated with some sort of religious belief. For me, it was like if you’re choosing to be sober, then that must mean you’ve been a terrible person. You made terrible mistakes. Something is profoundly wrong with you, and you’re broken, and you’re always going to be a “recovering alcoholic” and it’s going to be this giant scarlet letter that you wear on you for the rest of your life.

Now, knowing that that is not necessarily the case. You can enter into the lifestyle of sobriety, and make that decision without shame and that stigma, that was like a huge eye-opener and a really encouraging realization.

Russ Perry: Well, hold on because I kind of fall into that first bucket, I feel like a little bit. I think this really cool thing about you and my story is that I have, maybe more the traditional path to sobriety, like screwing up my life and making a bunch of bad decisions. Not to say you’ve been perfect, but you’ve made the decision more around the lifestyle you want to have. Let’s get into that second.

I think like the writing’s on the wall for many people who struggle with any kind of addiction or drinking, or alcohol is that you are messing up. There is a problem there. And that, for those who might not know was my path. I made mistakes, we talked about it in earlier episodes about the affair and risks that I took and all these things.

But what I found, when I made the decision, it really was like I don’t want this life. This is a path that has a one-way street to just terrible things. I went through maybe the more traditional programs, and oh my God, it was like really depressing. Like man, if I’m supposed to be chasing this sober new life, the environments that promote that kind of make me want to still drink.
I was actually talking to a friend recently. He’s gone to an AA meeting a long time ago, he went back, and he’s like, “It was like 6.30 am on a Tuesday, and people are guzzling coffee and vaping everywhere.” He’s like, “Not the place I want to be as a 35-year-old entrepreneur, trying to break free from this.”

The perception you shared is so true and if you’ve never been to any types of things that try to help promote or get you to be sober, there’s really just not a lot out there. It is tough. If your life isn’t like in misery, or there aren’t these huge problems, if you’re thinking about becoming sober, more from a lifestyle standpoint, it is kind of this, you like want the benefits, but you don’t want the stigma.

Mika Perry: Right, like if you say, oh I don’t drink, or I’m sober.

Russ Perry: Why?

Mika Perry: Immediately people, for a woman, they think you’re pregnant.

Russ Perry: Yeah.

Mika Perry: But immediately, everyone has a judgment on that, a stereotype, and I was scared of that.

Russ Perry: Where did that start though, for you, personally? Why do you think Mika Perry, growing up in your life, the way you grew up, what created that for you? I know the answer for me, but I’m curious as the female, mum perspective.

Mika Perry: I think kind of what I’ve touched on is just that something ought to be really wrong with you, to have to become sober, to have to abstain from something that people generally can consume and enjoy in moderate amounts. I didn’t want to admit, it’s admitting you have a problem. Who wants to admit they have a problem? There’s just so much negative stigma around it. Where it came from, I think from not knowing much about it.

Russ Perry: Right, well, and Arizona State University probably did not help much either, where you and I both attended. ‘Cause we were talking about it earlier in the car ride like you had this huge realization as you were sort of exploring sobriety, where the whole game changed for you. The whole mental shift.

You finally were able to ditch this stigma or concern about the stigma of being sober, like you had a really rational case for it. Share that, because I love it, and I share the story all the time.

Mika Perry: Really, for me, the decision to become sober was like a light switch. It felt like I quit cold turkey, and up until then, it was almost a daily part of my life. I love my wine. I would wind down and relax with it. I was also trying to live the best life I could live. I was trying to be the best mum, the best person, the best wife.

I had a ton and I still do have a lot of goals, and personal gains that I want to achieve. I love eating healthy. Health is important to me. I realized that alcohol is a poison, really, and here I was trying to find healthy, non-GMO, organic foods, going to Whole Foods all the time. Then choosing to ruin all that, to reverse all that. From a health standpoint, from a wellness perspective.

From a fitness perspective, I’ve always battled losing weight and all that. A lot of women can relate to that, especially after babies, losing the baby weight. Alcohol is sugar. Here I was trying to cut carbs, and eat gluten-free, and do all these and meal prep and spend hours and hours, and invest all this time and energy into it. But then I would down some wine and it’s sugar. Lots of calories.

I also was investing in a lot of skin care. To have better skin, whether it’s acne or wrinkles, or dullness. Girls you know, women you know, like it’s a battle. Then I realized that doctors, specialists, experts in the skincare industry, plastic surgeons. I actually, in one magazine that I sat down and read one day, four people were quoted in that magazine in separate areas.

What’s your number one tip for better skin? These doctors and experts said, “Don’t drink.” I was like, oh, okay, and that really stuck with me. I was like, here I am investing thousands of dollars into all this skincare, and like alcohol is ruining it. Now, everyone loves wine, and it’s like I think where they get you is that all the skincare, it’s like you can still drink, and then you’ll keep buying the stuff for better skin.

Really, at the bottom of it, underlying it, you’re sabotaging it with what you’re putting inside of your body because it all starts on the inside. Health, fitness, skincare, beauty, and then also like sleep and anxiety. I’ve always kind of struggled with mild anxiety. I have a very like Type A, worry about everything kind of mind, and I internalize a lot of things.

Really, I used alcohol to quiet that mind and relax, and not think about my worries, and not face my problems. It was a really easy way to check out. It made it worse. After the effects of alcohol wore off, it fueled my anxiety even worse, because you’re coming off of it and like the physical effects that your brain, the hormones, and everything, the dopamine, the serotonin, all that, it’s getting off balance.

It was just fueling my anxiety even more. Then sleep. You know that I’ve struggled with falling asleep, staying asleep. Part of it has to do with worrying and anxiety and keeping yourself up at night. Alcohol is terrible for sleep. That is proven, and it helps you fall asleep and relax, but then you can’t stay asleep, and that’s what was, I was struggling with most. I was sabotaging my life in so many very obvious ways with alcohol.

All these struggles and Russ, you mentioned in your sobriety journey, and your main thing is like drinking was playing life on hard mode. That’s what I was doing to my life too. I was trying to escape all the hard things I was struggling with, by drinking alcohol. But that just kept it going and going and going. Eventually, I saw that okay, right now, like I’m kind of at a crossroads of this could turn into something really bad.

I’ve been able to scheme the surface and stay floating. But if I continue this habit, it’s really an addiction now, because I was using it habitually to “solve my problems.” But now, this is turning into I’m going to hit rock bottom, or I have in some ways already, because it’s really negative, really impacted me as a mum, a person, a wife.

Russ Perry: Wow, I mean, that’s amazing. You hit on everything, and this to me, I’ve been having the conversation around sobriety a lot longer, and this is just the, I say the math, but math is math. Math isn’t arguable. Math just works and it’s simple, and it’s straightforward.

When you strip away all of the societal marketing and pressures, and movies and everything that involves and business formalities, that fuel this brand, if you will, of drinking, what you just rattled through and rattled off is like the mathematical argument against drinking.

Doesn’t make losing weight easier, doesn’t make being health easier, doesn’t actually reduce health, doesn’t actually help you sleep. You actually make poor decisions depending on the volume of the drinking that you’re making. It’s harder on your body ’cause it literally is a toxin that your body is trying to process and separate out.

The list goes on. You can get into the minutias of how well do those things works, like the biochemically. But yet people still pursue it, and in that argument, in that vein, if this isn’t clear yet, imagine if you just ate sneakers all day long. People would be like, “You’re gross, like don’t do that.” Or there’s the supersize meat documentary that came out years ago. The guy who ate McDonald’s for a month.

The guy gained so much weight. He was so unhealthy. He was just destroying his body. There are equivalent behaviors that if we did the sort of the food equivalent or another drug equivalent. If we were doing crack cocaine every night, to oral meth every night, people probably would be like, “Dude, that’s terrible for you. Don’t do that.” But yet we don’t view alcohol, many of us don’t view alcohol the same way.

You just laid it out, and here’s the reality, I’m not this kind of person but many people can have a couple of drinks at a barbecue on Saturday, and they’re going to be fine. Like truly, it’s not an issue. It’s far more common than people who’s like lives are going off the rails. But it’s the people are like in the middle, that I think should be listening to this right now.

Where it’s not you’re rock bottom, which I can identify with. You’re not on that one friend where you’re like, Yeah, I have one glass of champagne on New Year’s Eve and that’s fine.” It’s the people like you Mika, where you’re just sort of right above water. Where things could go one way easily, you could see that.

But there weren’t necessarily going to. Like you’re not doing anything too crazy. That person is the person when you stuck on the habits over years and years and years and years, that’s when the problems happen. Like for me, that’s when I had that maturity to see that horizon. If a doctor came to me and said, “Russ, if you eat a single corn chip and salsa ever again,” which I absolutely love, corn chips and salsa, “like you’ll die.” Like you cannot eat this.

Or you’ll die at the age of 50, if you continue to eat corn chips and salsa, you’ll have all these problems. I won’t eat corn chips and salsa. Yet you go to a doctor and they’re like, “Oh, you should maybe not drink as much,” or you shouldn’t do this. It’s just is crazy.

I don’t know if this is just because of the money, and the marketing and the brand, or people don’t want to acknowledge the challenges, but once you are able to see things from that perspective, I’m just blown away that drinking gets defended to the level that it does.

Mika Perry: You mentioned the diet part of food. When people eliminate like gluten. No one has a bad stigma around that really, and they’re like, oh, you’re allergic glut, oh, you know like.

Russ Perry: Or become a vegan.

Mika Perry: Or a vegan. Or, you know, it’s like a lifestyle choice, and it’s praised generally, I think. It has a mostly positive association. It also is like, wow, like you have some willpower to make that conscious choice. Like, wow, what a strong person. Like I have a lot of respect for people who really follow a gluten-free or whether it’s a choice, or they have to because they’ve been told by a doctor, you can never have this again.

People with autoimmune diseases or I think that’s amazing because that’s willpower. I kind of view that with alcohol being a substance that your body just can’t handle. So if you say no to it, and remove it, why shouldn’t that be viewed as a positive thing. I think both you and I are trying to change that conversation here and beyond, is that, hey, why does this have to be such a negative thing.

We’ve both chosen to remove something that was keeping us down and pushing us down. You had a different experience than I did, but at the end of the day, it was holding both of us back from a health perspective, from a spiritual perspective, from a mental perspective. Why shouldn’t that be viewed as a positive thing?

Now, it has been, the reception has been great. So that’s what I was scared of, ’cause I thought that it wouldn’t be viewed as a positive thing. On the other end now, as a person who’s been sober, it is positive. All the fears I had about sobriety were completely unfounded, and I found a more joyful and happy and freed life. I love not having to worry about alcohol.

No one cares if I drink or not. I was afraid that if I went out, okay, well, you’re not pregnant, so then why are you not drinking? Like people really don’t care. If they care, then they don’t belong in my life. Luckily, I haven’t had that problem yet. Maybe there are people out there that I didn’t know really viewed something about me, and my decision in a different way.

So far, I’ve experienced only positivity from it. I’ve also felt more empowered in myself and in my own confidence as a person to make a big decision, and stand by it. And that’s really given me a lot of strength and belief in myself.

Russ Perry: I want to point out something that is almost this like weird paradoxical thing. We’re talking about the stigma and what will people say, or why is there this pressure. The funny thing is, is for most of us, that’s all in our head. I had the exact same experience you’ve had, and I’d say every single person I’ve talked to, has the exact same experience.

It’s once you do make that decision, there might be a few outliers, like your old college buddies, if you’re a guy listening to this, that that’s what your friendship was, was going out and drinking. But if your resolve is there and you have this kind of conversation that you’ve had today, where it’s like, “Yeah, I’m not drinking. I just, I wasn’t being healthy.”

One hundred percent of the people you talk to, there’s almost like this aura of respect, like, oh, okay. ‘Cause it is so unique and new, and if there isn’t this grandiose crazy story, like, “I was in prison, I was in jail, and I’m now, I have a breathalyzer on my car and I’m not drinking.”

When the decision is lifestyle-based, there becomes that level of respect. However, for whatever reason in our minds, we’ve convinced ourselves that there is going to be this cloud of judgment. But it’s completely fabricated.

Mika Perry: Totally.

Russ Perry: I want to talk about the benefits because there are a lot. I’m going to go first because I think for me, the benefits are really practical. The analogy I’ve always used is that any habit you take in your life, you take on, whether that is an activity, model cars, or whatever it is, there is an amount of time and money and space that this occupies in your life. I always imagine like inside my chest, I know this is not necessarily a great thing to do visuals on a podcast.

If there’s like a place inside of me, or like my physical body is a container and all the things that I need to do every day, being a dad or go to work, or do whatever takes up space. Adding on new things takes up space. So drinking slowly becomes this huge consumption inside of you, or can become, whether that’s the amount of time it takes to go buy the drinks, to the activity, if you drink too much, the recovery, the thinking about it, the worry, all of that.

Just it’s space. It takes up space. For me, the biggest benefit I saw right out of the gates was I had all this space available for something else. Immediately, I wasn’t quite sure what I was going to fill, but I had none of the worry, none of the concerns, none of the stresses, none of the blues the next day, or the who’s going to drive conversations.

Like it just was, life was easier. It’s like I took the difficulty mode on life and downgraded to easier. Not easy but easier. Then, as a business owner, specifically for the entrepreneurs out there, you’re wanting the life hack of the century, it’s give yourself more time out of the day to be able to pursue the things that do matter, like your family or your businesses, or your church, or whatever.

That was the number one thing I noticed the first month of being sober, was, wow, I have all this time now. Then if there’s social circles that you’re removing yourself from, it’s even greater, ’cause you’re like, I don’t have the pressure for happy hour. Or I’m not like going to the game on a Sunday and tailgating. and spending hours and hours through those ceremonies. I was able to refocus that.

For me, it was Design Pickle. I got sober in 2013, launched Design Pickle like beta in 2014 December, and then officially in 2015. Had I not been sober, and I had not been able to stay up late and get up early, and hustle and put all that time and energy into the startup, we wouldn’t be sitting here today in the school studio recording, doing what we could be doing.

I just wouldn’t have, even I had all the commitment in the world, I wouldn’t have had the physical time available to accomplish what we accomplished those first few years. Even today, like our trip we just took. If I was drinking on the airplane, I wouldn’t have gotten up the next morning and gotten after what I needed to get after, ’cause I would have been tired. That was the biggest benefit for me as an entrepreneur.

I think that bleeds right into my role as a dad and a husband, is always being on point for them. Like for you guys, we took a trip recently. We were in a different country. Because I’m sober, I have full awareness of what’s happening. I can never prevent something tragic from happening if that’s what’s going to happen, but at least I’m alert, and I’m aware, and I can help out if like someone got hurt, or were lost. I’m not trying to figure this things out.

The other thing too is like from the real practical standpoint, guys, I know you don’t necessarily care about your bod, but I lost a ton of weight. That was awesome too. We look at old pictures of me and I’m like, “Thank you, Mika, for loving me and marrying me.” Assuming you don’t just directly replace the calories with Twinkies, there’s an immediate benefit you’ll see of weight loss, which was just a good feeling that of.

Mika Perry: Right now, I’m struggling with the fact that I haven’t lost weight from the decision to stop drinking.

Russ Perry: It’s been different for you.

Mika Perry: It’s been different in that regard, and you gave me a warning. You said that you had a sweet tooth after quitting alcohol because your body had become accustomed to all that sugar in your body. For me, I never really like sweets. I was a savory person. Now, that I had cut out alcohol, I have been struggling with a sweet tooth which I never had before. I had my first holiday season Halloween candy, December holidays. I mean, it’s Valentines.

Russ Perry: Thanksgiving.

Mika Perry: So it was a new challenge for me. It really opened my eyes to the fact that I had developed a physical addiction to the sugar in alcohol. I replaced the alcohol with sugar, which was a bad decision.

Russ Perry: Less crazy mental impairment, but biochemically, a lot of the same negative consequences as alcohol, or if not the same, because it is one form of sugar versus another form of sugar. The space that’s created if you don’t consciously fill that with something, you will ultimately fill it with something maybe not as destructive as the thing you’re addicted to.

But it could be binge-watching Netflix, or ice cream at night, or whatever. You have to be massively productive. I’m thankful that I had the business shift and lifestyle shift that I had with the sober play because it allowed me to pour my time and energy into that.

Mika Perry: I would say that’s the only so far, again, I’m only seven months in. So that’s something I’m actively realizing and working through. But otherwise, it really has been only positive. I feel so proud. Last night, we had a reception at the house, and it’s one thing is Russ and I can’t have alcohol around us.

Like you mentioned, it’s in our fridge because someone brought it over, whatever. I’m so proud that like you and I are both not tempted at all by alcohol around us. I know that’s a really cool feeling. Last night I looked in the fridge, and there was that like bottle of white in there, and I actually thought to myself looking at it, I was like, while before my craving would hit, and my like I need that right now to relax, to fill some sort of void, or I don’t know, to run away from a feeling.

I looked up and was like, wow, I really don’t crave this anymore. When we were on our trip for spring break this past week in Belize like at the airport, people are drinking. On the plane, I would always drink because I kind of was scared of flying, and that helped me deal with that anxiety. Then on the beach like last year in Belize, I was drinking on the beach. This year, I didn’t, I drank a ton of sparkling water.

I just felt so proud of myself in that change, that I was able to overcome something that I didn’t think I could, or that I even needed to. When you became sober, Russ, because now it’s been a while, one big change is that I could trust you. You became a really trustworthy person.

Now, when people tell me that they’re sober, like I have a positive stereotype, that, oh, this person is like, I can trust this person maybe more than others, because they’re of clear mind. They’re strong enough in willpower and their resolve, that they were able to make this huge decision.

For me, I can trust myself more now too. I know that every decision I make from the moment I wake up, to the moment I go to bed, is of a much clearer sound mind. I love that feeling I have inside of myself.

Russ Perry: There is that competence that you’re not leaving anything on the table. That was the big thing for me, it’s like, look if I want to go 10 more years of my life and fast forward 10 more years, I want no regrets. I want to say that I gave it my all, that I had put a hundred percent of my, whatever I could to whatever I’m focused on.

I knew one hundred percent that if I still was drinking, there would be a level of regret in the back of my mind, 10 years from now, 15 years, 20. We haven’t touched on the legacy part, but our legacy to our children and our future family is that we are participating in something that really takes away from them.

It’s not like you’re like way more aware and plugged in when you’re drinking. It is an internal thing that sort of tunes life out, depending on the level, and that just to me was something I couldn’t live with either.

Mika Perry: Yeah, for me that was really the biggest factor of my switch when that switch went on or off, however you want to view it, is the realization is like what the heck am I doing to my family? What am I doing here? I realized that the way I was acting and handling alcohol, would put me down a really bad path eventually, and endanger myself or my family.

I realized that if my mum had used alcohol and drank away the stresses of being a parent, of parenting me, of being my mum. If she did that to me, I would have been so hurt and so upset, and felt so insignificant or important or not important, and really sad. That realization, looking at my three daughters, I didn’t want that.

I was trying so hard to be a good mum, and I still do, and of course, I’m going to make mistakes, but that was where I realized I can’t create this atmosphere for my kids anymore. I don’t necessarily believe I mention alcohol as the poison. I don’t necessarily believe alcohol in itself is an evil thing. But the way it entered my life became extremely negative and did not belong in my life anymore.

Russ Perry: What’s the step one for a mum out there, who wants to get sober? What would you tell them, where would they go?

Mika Perry: I didn’t go to AA. I did go to one Celebrate Recovery Meeting at our church. Celebrate Recovery is kind of like an AA, but it’s a Christian AA. Because Russ had been involved in Celebrate Recovery before, he invited me to go to one, when I made the decision that I needed to change my habits around alcohol.

I went to one, and I took a sober chip, I got up and took one, and that really solidified. It was like, well, if I took one, then I can’t go back. This is it. That was really scary, but I felt really relieved at the same time when I did that. You can find something like Celebrate Recovery if you do go to a church. You could go to AA.

I knew someone, three weeks after I had decided to become sober, they told me that they had become sober, I don’t know, 10 years ago or something, and still goes to an AA meeting. What made me feel better was that this is someone in my realm of, my social life, or my realm of where I lived, very similar to me.

I would have never thought this person would have struggled with alcohol. By her coming out and telling me that she still goes to AA, I was like, oh wow, that’s uh. Like you could if I needed to. If I felt like I needed to get a check or something, I could go to AA. But I found out that it wasn’t a scary of a place that I thought, and she was telling me that, you know, I saw this so and so person there.

Of course, it’s all anonymous, but there are people just like us there. And it’s not where a bunch of like cracked out druggies on the side of the street go and drink coffee and vape like you said. But for a mum in a situation like me, that was reassuring to hear. That’s something you can do.

Russ Perry: I think the biggest thing to answer my own question, it’s to talk about it and just know it’s totally normal to go somewhere, both where you mentioned, AA and Celebrate Recovery. Just communities of people that have made that lifestyle commitment. I know you and I are kind of working on a secret project to create a, or maybe a different kind of community for people who have adopted this.

Self-promotionally, I actually talk about this every week on the Russ Perry Show, which is like a live stream video show I do, go to If you’re listening to this and you’re like, “Yeah, I would kind of want to explore this topic a little bit better,” you can check that out. I mentioned the book, Sober Entrepreneur, but the number one thing I want to end with is the benefits of sobriety are tremendous.

And they are not scary. They are far greater than any perceived risk. The first step to get there is just to do it. That seems kind of oversimplified, but every single person who I know who’s thinking about it, they’re literally one step away, one step away. The step is to make the decision, to find the switch.

Dig in deep into the why, of why you did, and we’ve shared both kind of reasons. Then getting involved, even if it’s for one night at Celebrate Recovery on Saturday night to get your sober chip. But just getting involved in a way with other folks who identify with that.

That’s literally the minimum requirement to get sober. After that, whatever other support you might need, you might need more, you might not. But it is the first step. For many people, like you, it was the only step. I’m going to make this decision, I’m going to make this commitment. This is who I am now. Game over. Move on.

Mika Perry: I had thought about stopping drinking several times before I actually did become sober. I think that is a common thread in someone who becomes sober eventually, is that you think about it for a while. You know if you have a problem with it. If you’re thinking about it, keep thinking about it.

Eventually, I hope that you’ll land at the decision that you’ll become sober because we’re here to tell you that it has improved ourselves, our marriage, our family. It was crazy. And these are two people sitting right here, who never thought that they would be sitting here talking about sobriety. Never in a million years would I have thought that I would be here, saying that I was sober and talking about it with you.

Russ Perry: That’s it today, everyone. I hope you enjoyed this conversation on sobriety. Definitely reach out if this struck a chord with you, you want to talk more. We love talking about it, and we love hearing stories of people who have done it. You know, it’s clearly a thing that we value because it’s helped us balance our life. It helps us balance our roles and definitely a lot happier because of it. Thanks so much.

Mika Perry: See you later.

Russ Perry: Thanks for listening to this episode of Good To Be Home.

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Russ Perry: See you next time.