Episode #59: Helping Your Spouse Get Organized

On today’s podcast, Russ and Mika talk about getting organized, or rather, how Mika helped Russ get more organized. Building a home can be difficult, especially if your significant other is a little…less organized than you. In this weeks episode, Mika takes the reigns and talks about encouraging Russ to be more organized, based on...

Building a home can be difficult, especially if your significant other is a little…less organized than you.

In this weeks episode, Mika takes the reigns and talks about encouraging Russ to be more organized, based on questions and comments shes received from listeners on social media.

Organizing is not only about putting stuff into labeled boxes but extends to strengthening your relationship and home life in general.

Whether you hear yourself in Mika (as the more organized one) or Russ (who needed a bit of help), this episode will show you some easy ways to nudge your loved one into setting up more intentional systems of organization.

In this episode, you will learn:

•  When collections become storage, not organization
•  How organizing can help your health routines
•  Quality vs quantity in your items
•  How organizing is an exercise in effort

Mentioned in this episode:
Russ Perry on Instagram
Mika Perry on Instagram
The Sober Entrepreneur by Russ Perry
The Russ Perry Show
Pinterest posts about London
The Goal Digger Podcast with Jenna Kutcher
Gary Vaynerchuck 
• Gluten Free Diet
The Low Carb Fraud by T. Colin Campbell
The China Study by T. Colin Campbell
A Milli – Lil Wayne
Rosemary Roasted Cashews – Ina Garten Recipe 
• Jumping Rope
Design Your Self by Karim Rashid
GTBH Episode #41: How to Speak the Languages of Love
The Minimalists

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Russ Perry: I’m Russ Perry.

Mica Perry: And I’m Mica Perry and you’re listening to Good To Be Home.

Russ Perry: Good To Be Home is a weekly exploration of entrepreneurship, family, marriage, sobriety and how we balance our business and life.

Mica Perry: From our family to yours, thanks for joining us and welcome to our home.

Russ Perry: Hey everyone welcome to another episode of Good To Be Home. I am your co-host, Russ Perry.

Mica Perry: And I am Mica Perry.

Russ Perry: Mica, I’m a little nervous for today’s episode.

Mica Perry: Yeah so, today, I’m not going to be coaching but it’s a little bit more led by me, yours truly, in organizing and specifically how to encourage your significant other to be more organized. So this episode comes directly from questions and comments that I have received from typically the wife, but actually I have talked to men to who love to get organized, they see the value in it, maybe they’re naturally that way, maybe they’ve worked really hard on it and then they get discouraged because their significant other un-do’s everything.

Russ Perry: Or just loves his college T-shirt collection.

Mica Perry: Or keeps hoarding things, so today’s episode I wanted to just kind of guide the listener here, that’s you, in how I’ve helped and encouraged Russ to become a more organized person and get his insight and his perspective on how it’s been helpful in his life.

Russ Perry: And my buy in, like in that I like it now. It’s not that I feel pressured too.

Mica Perry: Nope.

Russ Perry: I enjoy it.

Mica Perry: You do, so we want to share that with you because it’s been a really big valuable change, primarily in Russ but also more broadly in our relationship and in our home life, because we’re not fighting against it, we’re collaborative about it, we’re appreciative of the area and the environment that we live in and we take care of it together so, it’s been great.

Russ Perry: All right well, before then though, lets jump into our reading, listening, eating and loving list. This is a collection of our best of for the week which you can get a monthly recap of over on our website, please go sign up for it, it’s great. Mica writes them, she’s very, very good at writing.

Mica Perry: All right so, I’m going to share my reading and this week it is Pinterest. I’m reading Pinterest posts, and these Pinterest posts are specifically about London, bucket list items of things to see in London, cute little side streets to go, things you just don’t want to miss, good restaurants, I’m finding a lot of good Pinterest pins on London, it’s really aiding in my research.

Russ Perry: Wonderful.

Mica Perry: And more so then TripAdvisor, I was about to say Travelocity, I find that TripAdvisor gets too much into people’s opinions and they’re very biased on that person’s attitude and we’re they’re coming from.

Russ Perry: Right.

Mica Perry: Whereas these Pinterest posts typically lead to a blog and it’s just that person’s helpful tips. They’re not there to complain about things. And so, I found it really helpful and I am really excited to let this guide our planning for London but at the same time, you may think, “Okay, Mica’s a super organized person, she loves to plan and plan ahead,” but when it comes to trips like this where we spend six weeks somewhere for the summer, I try not to plan too much in advance because you really find out and get a vibe for the place when you get there and I like to just kind of wander and discover things to be honest.

Russ Perry: Bad news though, we will not be able to see the London bridge while we’re in London.

Mica Perry: It’s not there.

Russ Perry: Right, it’s in Lake Havasu, Arizona.

Mica Perry: Listening. I’ve been listening to the Goal Digger Podcast, not gold, goal.

Russ Perry: Oh.

Mica Perry: Your head just whipped around when I said that.

Russ Perry: I did, I was like, “What? What’s this?”

Mica Perry: Goal digger. Nope, Goal Digger with Jenna Kutcher and I think if you listen to podcasts and you have a business, you know Jenna Kutcher. You don’t though.

Russ Perry: I don’t.

Mica Perry: And she is a former photographer that turned into online marketing, online business, how to help people grow their online brand into her brand and her business, and so she does courses on email marketing and Pinterest marketing and Instagram and branding and I like her podcast. They’re just really helpful, really positive. I used to follow her and then un-followed her and then jumped back on the Jenner Kutcher bandwagon, so I think that’s a good testament to go back to someone and their content.

Russ Perry: That happened with me and my friend Gary Bienerchuck.

Mica Perry: Your back?

Russ Perry: Yeah, I’m back.

Mica Perry: Mm-hmm (affirmative), he’s good. Eating. This is a little different, this isn’t about me, this about our daughter Reese. So she has been eating more, or actually, gluten free. It’s been almost two weeks that she’s been gluten free. I know it snuck in there a little bit, one time she Goldfish because she didn’t know, but the reason why that she is trying a gluten free diet is because she has eczema and I kind of thought about all the things she eats and the most thing that could potentially trigger something like that would be gluten and I just thought, “You know what? This is not going to hurt her, let’s try it,” and I explained it to her one day because she was really frustrated, she came to be just frustrated with how itchy her legs are with all of her breakouts of eczema and I explained to her and I said, “You’d have to eliminate these things, would you be okay with that?” And she said, “Yes,” that’s how much it bothered her, so to know that she couldn’t have bread, she couldn’t have pasta and she wanted to try it.
And what was really nice is that she had a girl in her class that was gluten free and so, she knew what it was and so, she recognized it and wanted to try it maybe just from oh, what is it? Maybe it sounded cool, but she’s doing a really good job, and I was really proud of her because at summer camp she didn’t eat something the teacher said because she asked if it had gluten and they said yes and so, she didn’t, and she’s had a lot of self discipline. I’m seeing a ton of self discipline in her and I’m just really proud of that, so I don’t know how long we’ll continue because I’m asking actually her naturopath Dr. Smithers if there is a way for her to be tested for food allergies, so it’s more confirmed rather than testing it out like this.

Russ Perry: Right.

Mica Perry: But so far, she’s been so good. I’m so proud of her. Finally, loving. This is a love, hate. I’m kind of spinning all these things around today.

Russ Perry: Great.

Mica Perry: It’s a love, hate with Invisalign. I’ve had Invisalign now for the last couple of months and I love it because I can’t wait for the results next year when I have straight teeth and my bite isn’t off, but the hate part and I don’t like to use that word but I’m just using it because love, hate goes, whatever. It’s just cumbersome. I take it off for these podcast interviews, or podcast recordings just because it does sound different to me the way that I talk, I just have not gotten used to it and I have to take it out every time I eat and I don’t know.

Russ Perry: So me and Maddox were talking about this, about you the other day because Maddox and I are post braces, retainer wearers consistently and she’s like, “Dad, Mica put her retainers on a napkin,” and I was like, “Hm,” that’s a legendary way to lose your retainer.

Mica Perry: Yeah, I know. It’s hard, because imagine wearing retainers all day long because that’s exactly what it is.

Russ Perry: Oh yeah.

Mica Perry: It’s not fun, so anyways guys, that’s what’s up in my life.

Russ Perry: Well, I mean, thoughts and prayers for you honey.

Mica Perry: Thanks.

Russ Perry: So what am I reading? I am reading, I read, I finished this book, very short, about 90 pages called The Low Carb Fraud by Dr. T. Colin Campbell, and I love this book and basically he shredded all of the high fat, high protein diets using my favorite strategy science. Took it apart, looked at it, disassembled it, reassembled it, I’m getting his next book called The China Study, which was the largest dietary study ever done in the history of science, but the big thing that he said is that while these low carb diets have fat loss results, that it’s really horrible for your body in the long term and that actually you build up resistance to a ton of things that cause tons of, clearly I’m using a lot of science but lots of longer term health effects, negative health effects on that, but his solution is whole food, plant based. That’s what they talk about.
Everything whole food, plant based, you don’t need a ton of protein, you don’t need anything obviously processed and all that, so I’m excited. It was a great book to read, actually it was interesting because he debunks this other book that’s more on the low carb, kind of keto style and I remember reading that book and I was like, “This book is so great,” and then he scientifically disassembles it and it just was a reminder that you really have to be careful when you’re reading these books that are always promoting something, a diet, a plan or whatever because if you’re not doing the research yourself, it could be very easy to construct a good argument about it that isn’t scientifically based.

Mica Perry: 100%. There is so much out there especially in the health and fitness and diet arena, the industry that I mean, everyone’s coming out with a theory and a new thing and it’s almost like it’s overwhelming, and I like seeing that a lot of the attitude has been a little bit more gentler and less extreme I feel recently where it’s just like, eat whole foods, eat real food.

Russ Perry: There you go.

Mica Perry: Yeah, that’s it.

Russ Perry: What am I listening to? Amili by Lil Wayne. Why? Because I bought tickets to Lil Wayne and Blink 182 coming in August.

Mica Perry: Where? Here?

Russ Perry: Yes!

Mica Perry: Really?

Russ Perry: If you would like to come with me, you could be my date.

Mica Perry: Why is Blink 182 still around?

Russ Perry: They’re a great band!

Mica Perry: We saw them when they performed with Steve Aoki a couple years ago, a few years ago.

Russ Perry: They did awesome. They had a good show. They’re legendary.

Mica Perry: They’re okay, I’m more excited to see Lil Wayne.

Russ Perry: Would you like to come with me?

Mica Perry: Sure.

Russ Perry: Okay.

Mica Perry: Thank you.

Russ Perry: Wonderful. It’d be a good date night. What am I eating? We had the most amazing dinner party at one of our friends house recently and the first thing out of the gates, it was like a six course meal, we took homemade whipped cream home, it was insane. And out of the gates we had rosemary roasted cashews, Ina Garten’s recipe and I’ve looked up the recipe, I have it, I’m going to make it, they were amazing. And we have a lot of rosemary at our house.

Mica Perry: We do.

Russ Perry: So this kills two birds with one stone.

Mica Perry: This is what we’re going to do this week.

Russ Perry: What am I loving? Jumping rope. That’s it.

Mica Perry: That’s it.

Russ Perry: We’ve been doing a lot of it and it is a great workout and it’s fun and I challenge myself on it, so Mica, your student has arrived. Let’s dive into this.

Mica Perry: Let’s get into this. All right, I’m excited. I get excited every time I talk about organizing and today I want to share kind of Russ’s journey in organization. And here’s the thing is you guys will probably either relate to this as maybe a spouse with another spouse or a significant other that is maybe less organized than they are, or you may hear yourself in Russ. You may be the disorganized person that has a spouse that wants them to be more organized.

Russ Perry: Is disorganized the right word for me?

Mica Perry: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Russ Perry: Okay.

Mica Perry: And I want to make a distinction here.

Russ Perry: Okay.

Mica Perry: You were not a hoarder. You didn’t have a problem. You weren’t messy and gross, however, you didn’t have systems. You weren’t intentionally setting up systems in your life and that’s what I say about organization, is that’s what it is, it’s the presence of or the lack of systems in your life.

Russ Perry: Right.

Mica Perry: And when you have systems, everything in your life whether it’s a task or a physical item has a place to go.

Russ Perry: Well during this time I was wearing cargo pants more and there’s a lot of places for things.

Mica Perry: You can store them there. That could be your system, your cargo shorts. Oh man. So Russ, when we first got married, he had a lot of historical relics of his life that he’s held onto and this I think you’ll recognize whether in yourself or in others is something that a lot of people do as just by nature. It’s like you tie a sentimental attachment to things and that is totally fine. I’m not advocating for anyone to get rid of important items that reminds them of important people or events in their life, or it was given to them by someone in their family, and that’s wonderful and we have those items in our home to, however, I just feel there is a limit to those and there’s a tendency to hold onto every memory you’ve had in your life.
You don’t need to remember everything with an item. So you had T-shirts for all sorts of things and this is a guy thing, when I went in and organized for clients, whenever I go to the guy side, T-shirts seem to be a thing that you collect and that’s okay, go for it, store T-shirts and you had a T- shirt collection, but then when you are just letting sit there in a box, that becomes storage, not organization because you are not needing to access it, so you don’t need to figure out how to organize all your T-shirts, you need to figure out how to store it. It’s different.

Russ Perry: Right.

Mica Perry: And so, you over time had as we moved, kind of narrowed it down into a smaller collection, so it wasn’t a bunch of stored items, a bunch of stored T-shirts, you narrowed it down and now you have some jerseys from the World Cup that you went to. You have some T-shirts from ASU and it’s a small collection now and that’s manageable.

Russ Perry: What was one of the most memorable T-shirt that you discovered throughout this process?

Mica Perry: Oh gosh. Well, you used to wear really horrible, polyester polo’s from Goodwill. They were so ugly and you would wear them with cargo shorts and skater shoes.

Russ Perry: And you loved me. Diamond in the rough.

Mica Perry: Diamond in the rough everyone and he had the biggest hair in the world, so big and so wide, I’m picturing you now and wow. You were a diamond in the rough. Yeah so, those were some of the things, so your fashion choices yes, but I’m specifically talking about historical things that you hang onto.

Russ Perry: And that was a term in a book I read, The Design Yourself book and Karim Rashid, that industrial designer said, “Historical artifacts.” You don’t need historical artifacts in your home, which I read to you and you laughed.

Mica Perry: So Russ, as we moved, he would see a little bit of value in kind of consolidating items, sometimes because we had to. The place we’re moving was smaller, we had to store items but we went from having a storage unit with a bunch of things in it and now and when all that is gone, when we moved, we had a garage sale and sold everything, when we moved from Chandler to Scottsdale we sold mostly all of our furniture that we had that we bought when we were first engaged and married and so, this kind of leads to a little bit of you learn the benefit of something and the value of something by doing and by seeing, so over the years, as you’ve seen me organize my things and as you’ve seen me organize the home, it’s been a learning lesson for me as well and I’ve gotten better at organizing but you have seen it in practice with me doing it, and so over the years I’ve seen you adopt some habits and some systems and create your own.

Russ Perry: I will say one thing that was really obvious for me that I didn’t have a problem but was I definitely keeping on was when we were still trying to figure out were we’re going to live and were moving and after every move I’d be moving the same boxes of stuff that I hadn’t touched or used or looked at from the last time we moved. If that’s happening in your life right now or it’s recently happened, all that stuff has to go. And that was evidence, data, that I did not need these things and even in the recent week of us talking about this episode, I think of two bins underneath our stairs that I’m going to get rid of because I literally haven’t opened them in a decade. I don’t even know why we keep them around for it.

Mica Perry: They’re yearbooks and some photos and those kinds of little mementos.

Russ Perry: I think even a scrapbook an ex-girlfriend made me or something I got to get rid of.

Mica Perry: Some of these things are still around but again, they used to be a lot and over time you saw them go down, so the thing there I think is that you saw the tangible effect that you were carrying these things around and lugging them around and then also paying to store them.

Russ Perry: Oh my gosh, and that was crazy. It was like, I am paying money to keep things I never use.

Mica Perry: Yeah, and I mean, when you say it out loud like that it just makes total sense, so you have to make the decision, do you want to keep paying for that or do you not want to?

Russ Perry: Right.

Mica Perry: So like I mentioned, showing them in the way that you live, showing that person how it makes you happier and live a more simplified, easier life has an effect. It may not happen right away and I think that’s where some people can get frustrated. In any sort of change you hope to see in someone else because you just know the benefit and you want them to live that way, you can’t force it upon them, so that’s one thing I feel like I have been pretty good about for you Russ, right? Is that I’ve never forced it upon you and have straight up said, “You need to get more organized,” I really haven’t.
I’ve encouraged you, I’ve shown you, I’ve asked you to, I’ve suggested but I’ve never expected you to be at the same level of me and I never get really angry when you don’t follow my systems or not you’re not doing it because that’s just going to cause stress and so, it’s kind of like I’m doing my thing and if you want to pick up some of these strategies and these systems awesome, if you don’t that’s okay. And if you don’t put things back the right way, the right file folded towel thing, I’m not going to get that upset about it because I know how to fix that quickly and easily and I can’t expect you to have the exact same value system in aesthetics and systems as me, we’re two different people.

Russ Perry: We are, but what you do which is awesome is you set me up for success in a lot of ways. You will give me the thin hangers or clear out a space that’s kind of been forgotten by me and I really appreciate that and it helps, it’s like modeling in a way with it and the other thing is, is I think you trim, if that’s a word. Like, you’ll organize me but not dramatically and a few things will be removed or moved, or touched, or adjusted and I can see the benefit but A, it’s not a major project for you and B, I can kind of like, “Oh, hey I got some dividers for this drawer.”

Mica Perry: So it’s like I get you kind of started.

Russ Perry: Yeah, you tease it.

Mica Perry: And I’m not completely overhauling your things, because I think that’s where people get scared. Like, is my wife going to come in and just throw everything away? That’s scary.

Russ Perry: I made those shirts with iron on’s myself, don’t get rid of them.

Mica Perry: Oh yeah, I forgot that part. You had all those T-shirts that you made phrases on.

Russ Perry: Some very inappropriate phrases.

Mica Perry: We will not utter them here. So to go in and overhaul some else’s things, that’s an invasion of privacy in a way. I would definitely suggest that you don’t do that, I would advise against that but yes, one thing you can do is setting up the system for their things and their life in a way that makes it easy for them to choose to adopt that system or not.

Russ Perry: Right.

Mica Perry: Instead of setting up a system in my life and expecting you to follow that system, I look for ways that I can help you in the office, in the garage, with your clothes, with your things in the bathroom and then you live that system and then see the benefit and then you want more of it.

Russ Perry: Okay. Hypothetical situation. We are married today, all the stuff, new homes, you discover, oh my gosh this guy is not organized. Clearly I was very attractive and all that, that’s why you married me but where would you start rewinding the clock or listeners, in the earlier stages of this situation, you’re a pro at this now. You weren’t when we first were married, you were just a hobbyist at it. Where would you start? What would be the first step in getting your partner on board?

Mica Perry: I have several. One is to do it yourself. To do it, to have the initiative and if there is that closet that you threw things into when you moved in together and no one ever addressed it and you can’t open the door or if you open it things start spilling it out, if your significant other is not taking an initiative or desire to do it but it is bothering you, do it. And do it yourself and then your partner can see, wow, look at that, that feels great, that closet, now we can actually use it for something else. That’s a really simple suggestion, is just to have the initiative, the other is if you want to, this just depends on your relationship but if you have figured out your love language, your five love languages, this is something that we’ve talked about on the podcast before.

Russ Perry: You can search for it now on our website, we have a search functionality.

Mica Perry: So if you type in love language, it’ll pull up a past episode that we did just on this topic. But hopefully if you’re married, if you’re in a relationship you will know your partner’s love language and you can use that as a tool for so many things but definitely in this arena as well in organization. You can figure out, okay if my husband is quality time, then let’s organize together and make it a project, a joint project where we do something together, whether it’s a closet or a drawer, or the garage. Let’s spend some time and do it. If there’s is words of affirmation, I would go in an affirm the good organizational things that they’re doing.
If they pick something up, praise them for it. Say, “Thank you so much.” This works for kids and this is a strategy in the classroom where you focus on the positive, what they’re doing well. Like I would say, “Oh look Mya, I’m noticing that she is doing this really well,” so you highlight all the good things, so if they’re words of affirmation I would do that. If they are gifts, I would gift them with an organized drawer, or new hangers, matching hangers or a physical token that will help aid them in organization. I bought a cool charging valet tray for Russ for Christmas to better organize. I noticed that he was putting his phone here, putting keys here, wallet here, it doesn’t have to be charging, it can just be a simple tray for your husband or significant other to drop all their things from their pockets or their bags at the end of the day when they get home. Gift them that and say, “I bought this for you, I think you’ll really like it, or I would love for you to use it.” Physical touch in organization.

Russ Perry: Like massages while your organizing.

Mica Perry: Organizing.

Russ Perry: Massage your husband while he’s picking up the room.

Mica Perry: Maybe. There you go.

Russ Perry: That’s a great idea.

Mica Perry: Or you can exchange a massage for organizing, helping to clean something out or to step up a system, so that would maybe be my initial start points.

Russ Perry: I have a tip or something and I do it myself but if I’m using this scenario, in that scenario I suggested, I will move things out of their spot or I will pre-organize it, pre-move it, pre-get rid of it and for me, this is probably more like getting rid of things and decluttering and it’s kind of like, okay I’m going to move this for a week here and if I don’t need it or use it again then I’m getting rid of it. A blog, book, movie, The Minimalists I think is what they were, they go real crazy and they’re like, “Put everything in your garage,” like literally put everything in your garage and then two weeks later whatever’s still in your house that’s what you keep and everything else you get rid of. Not that extreme but kind of the opposite, like okay, I’m going to move all this stuff out of this drawer or this filing cabinet and then X amount of time goes by, you never used it, you never seen it then okay, I can get rid of it, not a big deal.

Mica Perry: I would say if you’re a significant other, you yourself are kind of a competitive person and you like gamification and competing and points, there are great free printable’s that you can find on Pinterest that are a space of day. 30 days of organization and you check it off and you can do that as an activity together and what a great thing to do especially if you’re newly married to have those kinds of moments where you work on a habit together, so I would suggest that. And also on the flip side if you don’t want to go to extreme just find small areas that you can do together or do for the other person. I’m talking small, small, small, even their toiletry bag that they take on their trips, maybe edit that out for them, just see where you can do that and make a difference in their life so that they’re encouraged by it and happy and you’re not coming down on them, it’s easy to do and get frustrated but don’t come down on the person for their lack of systems of their lack of desire to get organized. Again, time. It takes time.
And finally, I want to broadly kind of relate getting organized to health and fitness, like getting in shape. You have to put effort. Say you want to get into shape and you want to lose weight or you want to gain muscle, if you’re going to sit there, it’s not going to happen. Organizing is the exact same, and I think there is a direct correlation with the same, it is the exact same kind of mentality and mindset around it but a lot of people don’t make that connection. It’s odd because a lot of people get really excited about health and fitness and, “All right, I have a new plan to get in shape or lose weight,” and the effort you put in determines the output, but organizing, it gets dismissed. Like, I’m just not an organized person. It’ll never happen to me.

Russ Perry: Right.

Mica Perry: No, it can. You put in effort, it is going to get better. If you put any ounce of effort into getting more organized for yourself or your significant other, you will end up at a place that is always better than none. Same thing with running, the more you run, the better you will be. Same thing with lifting weights, the more you lift, the better your muscles are going to be, the stronger you’re going to be.

Russ Perry: Right.

Mica Perry: So, it is more effort into it, better results and I want you guys to think about that in organizing.

Russ Perry: Beautiful. I do have one final thing.

Mica Perry: Okay.

Russ Perry: That was a great close end but here’s the thing. One of the most influential things that you said about all of this came from your grandfather on your moms side about quality, and in this seat, hearing your perspective of me, I would say the largest shift that I’ve had is to care more about quality, not about quantity and not necessarily saying you got to get the best and most expensive and all of this, but I now think about that because I believe he was talking about shoes in specifically the story you told, and he was very committed to that and so, I will say you and your family, that has really sunk into me where I love it now because it’s about a better quality of life by having less but what we do have it matters more and there is connection to it, there’s a story behind it. There’s something that has more than I got this thing and it’s whatever, and that’s I think in this hyper consumer era of shopping and online and all of this kind of stuff is something that I try to remind myself on a bit.

Mica Perry: Well I’m glad even my grandfather has been able to have an effect on you and that and what he had said was to never buy cheap shoes and he said, “Just make sure your shoes are always quality because you walk in them all the time,” but yeah, I think you’ve done an excellent job. I love seeing your routines and systems and habits that you’ve put into your life. I do think that the efforts that you’ve made in investing in yourself in personal development and just overall overhauling your life Russ and having those kinds of systems in your business has now reflected in your personal life. You kind of cleaned up and got our act together in your business and in your professional life and it also trickles down into your personal space or maybe you got organized in your personal space and it had an effect in the business, I don’t know, but it happened concurrently and it’s very evident that you’re much more focused, less distracted, clear, you don’t have as much ironed on T-shirt things around you, you dress nicer, you even have a look now, so it’s just like you know what you want more and I like that.

Russ Perry: Diamond in the rough.

Mica Perry: Diamond in the rough.

Russ Perry: Well I had a great teacher.

Mica Perry: I hope you’ve enjoyed getting more organized. Have you?

Russ Perry: I absolutely have.

Mica Perry: Well good. I’m glad. Well I hope this episode has been helpful for you to get an insight into how Russ has evolved in his organizational strategy and how I’ve approached it and maybe how you can implement it in yours or your significant others life. If you have any questions, feel free to email us at If you have a success story, whether for yours or your spouses organizing ideas or wins, I would love to hear them so please email us.

Russ Perry: And I will say for all of the ladies out there with a husband or significant other, there’s a huge contingency of people who listen to this podcast together as a couple, so maybe this episode is the starting point for that person in your life, feel free to share it with them. We’d love to impact them as well.

Mica Perry: All right, thanks for listening guys we really appreciate it.

Russ Perry: Have a great week.

Mica Perry: Bye.